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Conspiracy Theories

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Jump School

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Administrative Discharge

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Now this Is Not To Say You Know these Things Aren't Helpful At All It's Not Say They'Re Not Useful At All but It's Important To Understand When the Government's Response to any Scandal Then this Applies to any Country Is Not To Make the Activities of the Person Who Is Caught Breaking the Law Comply with the Law but Instead Make the Activities of the Person Who Is Breaking the Law Legal Right They Make the Law Comply with What the Agencies Want To Do Rather than Making the Agencies Comply with Law That's a Problem and that's What Happened Here

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And What's Interesting Is the Unclassified Version of a Report and We'Ve all Seen this Today with Things like the Muller Report and all of the Intelligence Reporting That's Happened in the Last Several Years When the Government Provides a Classified Report to the Public It's Normally the Same Document the Unclassified Version the Classified Version Are the Same Thing Just the Unclassified Version Has Things Blacked Out or Redacted that They Say Oh You'Re Not Allowed To Know this Sentence for this Paragraph or this Page or Whatever the Document that the Public Had Been Given about the Warrantless Wiretapping Program Was a Completely Different Document It Was a Document Tailor-Made To Deceive and Mislead the Congress and the Public of the United States and It Was Effective in Doing that and in 2012 What I Realized Was this Is What Real-World Conspiracies Look like Right It Doesn't Have To Be Smoking Men behind Closed Doors Right It's Lawyers and Politicians It's Ordinary People from the Working Level to the Management

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But that's What They Always Say that's What every Government Says that's No Different than What the Chinese Government Says or the Russian Government Says and the Question Is if They Are Truly Keeping Us Safe Why Wouldn't They Simply Just Tell Us that Well Why Wouldn't They Have that Debate in Congress Why Wouldn't They Put that to a Vote because if They Were and They Could Convince Us that They Were They'D Win the Vote and Particularly We all Know like the Patriot Act Passed More the Worst Pieces of Legislation in Modern History Passed Why Didn't We Get a Vote

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They Are Recognizing that although Leak Implies Harm It Implies Something That's Broken It's Actually Helpful It's a Leak That's Letting in Daylight in this Context That Is the Only Thing That Allows the System To Operate in a Context Where One Year before I Came Forward We Had the Nsa Saying this Kind of Stuff Didn't Happen We Had Hang on this Famous Exchange Which More than Anything Made Me Realize this Was a Point of no Return because I'Ve Told You this You'Ve Heard this but if You Haven't Seen It

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But Somebody Somewhere Was Informing this Reporting Right That Got into the New York Times about the Bush Era Warrantless Wiretapping Program and Eventually Journalists Put this Out There People Knew these Capabilities Existed but Yeah Then There's the Person in the Youtube Comments so It's like Oh We Knew All about this Is Nothing New and the Thing Is You Can Know about some Programs and Not Know about Others You Can Have a Suspicion You Can Know with a Certainty that this Stuff Is Capable or It Is Possible to Capability Exists You Can Know that the Government Has Done this Stuff in the Past You Can Know They Are Likely To Do It Again You Can Have All these Indications You Can Have like the Jewel versus Nsa Case That's Run by the E Ff Which Is about the Eighteen

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The Distance between Speculation and Fact the Distance between What You Know and What You Can Prove to Everybody Else in the Country Is Everything in Our Model of Government because What You Know Doesn't Matter What Matters Is What We all Know and the Only Way We Can all Know It Is if Somebody Can Prove It if You Can Prove It and if You Don't Have the Evidence You Can't Prove It and of Course When We Talk about the Earlier Stuff Right like this or More Corporatized Media They'Ve Got a Thousand Incentives Not To Get Involved in this Stuff They Need Access to the White House They Need these Officials To Sit Down with Them and Give Interviews Right that's Constant Content That They Need that's Access that They Need They Need To Be Taken Seriously They Need To Be a You Know Admitted to Briefers It Is a Codependent Relationship and Yet Rather and so the Only Way To Make Sure People Understand this Broadly

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It Is a Codependent Relationship and Yet Rather and so the Only Way To Make Sure People Understand this Broadly Is if We all Work Together All Right if We Collectively Can Establish a Corpus of Evidence Right a Body of Facts That Is So Large and So Persuasive It Overcomes the Natural and Understandable Resistance of these More Corporatized Media Groups It Overcomes the Political and Partisan Sort of Loyalties That that all of these Political Factions in the Country Do Where They Go You Know It's It's My President Even if I Don't Like this Stuff Even if I Don't Agree with this Stuff I Don't Want To Say It Exists I Want To Deny It until It's Proved You Know in Hd on Video You Know Signing the Order To Do this That or the Other

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Joe Rogan Experience #1368 - Edward Snowden
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Edward Snowden is an American whistleblower who copied and leaked highly classified information from the National Security Agency in 2013 when he was a Central Intelligence Agency employee and subcontractor. His new book "Permanent Record" is now available.
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