Chapters
00:00 Introduction
04:18 Conversation begins
10:25 The Broken Chain of Trust
23:04 The Myth of Reliable Research
41:47 The Dutch Protocol spread in defiance of Scientific Principles
57:22 Kids are growing up exposed to violent porn
01:04:30 Boys are being told their natural instincts are toxic

In the wake of such comprehensive exploration and analysis around the foundational medical research cited time and time again regarding child and adolescent gender transition, the Dutch Protocol, we extended an invitation to Dr. Stephen Levine and Dr. Julia Mason to join us in a discussion about their most recent paper, co-authored together with Zhenya Abbruzzese in a thorough critique of the Dutch Protocol.

Dr. Stephen B. Levine is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine. He is the solo author of five books, all of which are concerned with love and sexuality. He has been teaching, providing clinical care, and writing since 1973 and has generated over 180 publications, 35 of which have been related to gender dysphoria. He and two colleagues received a lifetime achievement Masters and Johnson’s Award from the Society for Sex Therapy and Research in March 2005. His recent publications on gender dysphoria have been read by thousands of people.

Dr. Julia Mason is a pediatrician who started medical school in the Medical Scientist Training Program but emerged with a Master's degree in Nutritional Science rather than the planned PhD. This extended her medical education and kept her grounded in the scientific basis of medical care, which may have made her more likely to be skeptical of pediatric “affirmative gender care” when she saw it taking root in her hometown of Portland, Oregon. Julia is a founder and board member of SEGM, the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine. She is a full-time practicing pediatrician in Gresham Oregon, her gender work is extracurricular and entirely voluntary.

Our conversation with Drs. Levine and Mason evolved into a pretty intense exploration of sexuality and the consequences that blocking an adolescent’s puberty has on their developing sexuality.

Please note that this conversation includes many topics explicit in nature, listener discretion is advised.

Links:

Co-Authored article with E. Abbruzzese
The Myth of "Reliable Research" in Pediatric Gender Medicine: A critical evaluation of the Dutch Studies-and research that has followed
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2150346

Stephen Levine, MD’s most recent published article with E. Abbruzzese:
Current Concerns about Gender-Affirming Therapy in Adolescents https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11930-023-00358-x

Selections of Julia Mason, MD’s Published Work
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2046221
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2136117
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2150346
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/950019
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2019/10/a-physician-is-worried-about-gender-transition-in-pediatrics.html

Op-Eds co-authored by Julia Mason, MD
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-american-academy-of-pediatrics-dubious-transgender-science-jack-turban-research-social-contagion-gender-dysphoria-puberty-blockers-uk-11660732791
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-transition-medical-affirming-therapy-hormone-surgery-aap-children-kids-11661207649

Stephen Levine, MD’s books:
Sex Is Not Simple
Sexual Life: A Clinician’s Guide
Sexuality in Midlife
Demystifying Love: Plain Talk for the Mental Health Professional
Barriers to Loving: A Clinician’s Perspective
Psychotherapeutic Approaches to Sexual Problems: An Essential Guide for Mental Health Professionals
He was also the Senior Editor of the first (2003), second (2010), and third (2016) editions of the Handbook of Clinical Sexuality for Mental Health Professionals

Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM) Spotlight Page: https://segm.org/news

KevinMD: https://www.kevinmd.com/

If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting:

“The Dutch Studies” | GWL Episode Playlist
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLngVCeAoK6vudCwfy0R2Rvg_SH2QxBJTu

“Episode 60 — Pioneers Series: We Contain Multitudes with Stephen Levine” https://youtu.be/Uc7NCdNFXfE

“Episode 82 — ASD & Gender: Who am I? with Dr. Tony Attwood” https://youtu.be/J_fmzySfHLY

“Episode 42 — ROGD and the Struggle to Grow Up” https://youtu.be/0nQ2e2km7xE

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